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		<title>By: CogitoErgoBibo</title>
		<link>http://www.process.org/discept/2011/11/17/draco-death-to-the-virus/comment-page-1/#comment-880</link>
		<dc:creator>CogitoErgoBibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 03:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Doug,

Any update from MIT?

Just a thought... if we setup a funding entity, perhaps we can kill two birds with a Change.org petition that alerts people to it... a title something like &quot;Potential Virus Killer Underfunded at MIT&quot;??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Doug,</p>
<p>Any update from MIT?</p>
<p>Just a thought&#8230; if we setup a funding entity, perhaps we can kill two birds with a Change.org petition that alerts people to it&#8230; a title something like &#8220;Potential Virus Killer Underfunded at MIT&#8221;??</p>
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		<title>By: CogitoErgoBibo</title>
		<link>http://www.process.org/discept/2011/11/17/draco-death-to-the-virus/comment-page-1/#comment-878</link>
		<dc:creator>CogitoErgoBibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 16:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello RohanSJ

&quot;perhaps whatever has the greatest commercial potential&quot;

Of course, your assertion accurately fits the appearent reality, but if it is reality, then we have a larger issue to address.  I just finished a great book entitled &quot;A Second Opinion&quot; by Dr. Relman (former editor of the NE Journal of Medicine) where he lays out cogent plans for healthcare but also makes the point that it used to be about just that, healthcare, not profit.  That is not to say doctors/researchers/nurses shouldn&#039;t make a comfortable living, but it can&#039;t be that they practice medicine because they want to be wealthy.

The bottom line, as I see it, is that from the point of view of today&#039;s poor business environment in this country, it makes more financial sense to keep people alive but suffering than to cure anything.  I am not asserting the &quot;conspiracy theory&quot; that there is a cure for cancer and its being hidden; I&#039;m simply asserting that pursuing cures may not make business sense for the very companies who have the resources to do so.

There is even a personal experience that makes me wonder though...I started my work because I had an idea while studying and sent it out to a few professionals in the field.  I an unexpected &quot;you may be on to something here&quot; followed by a good deal of help.  I just had an idea and a few months later I co-author an article on a paper I wrote that gets published... then, without explanation, everything goes silent.  Weird at the least ;).  Maybe after a few months they learned something that told them it wouldn&#039;t work... but if they did, they never mentioned it.

http://blog.readingthinkingandwriting.com/?p=411

For me, the heart of this lies in what it means to be a healthcare provider be it a doctor or a pharma exec.  You cannot truly provide healthcare if profit is your goal.  You can provide healthcare and earn profit, but if it is what drives you, people will suffer because it isn&#039;t possible to objectively do your job.

This needs to change in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello RohanSJ</p>
<p>&#8220;perhaps whatever has the greatest commercial potential&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course, your assertion accurately fits the appearent reality, but if it is reality, then we have a larger issue to address.  I just finished a great book entitled &#8220;A Second Opinion&#8221; by Dr. Relman (former editor of the NE Journal of Medicine) where he lays out cogent plans for healthcare but also makes the point that it used to be about just that, healthcare, not profit.  That is not to say doctors/researchers/nurses shouldn&#8217;t make a comfortable living, but it can&#8217;t be that they practice medicine because they want to be wealthy.</p>
<p>The bottom line, as I see it, is that from the point of view of today&#8217;s poor business environment in this country, it makes more financial sense to keep people alive but suffering than to cure anything.  I am not asserting the &#8220;conspiracy theory&#8221; that there is a cure for cancer and its being hidden; I&#8217;m simply asserting that pursuing cures may not make business sense for the very companies who have the resources to do so.</p>
<p>There is even a personal experience that makes me wonder though&#8230;I started my work because I had an idea while studying and sent it out to a few professionals in the field.  I an unexpected &#8220;you may be on to something here&#8221; followed by a good deal of help.  I just had an idea and a few months later I co-author an article on a paper I wrote that gets published&#8230; then, without explanation, everything goes silent.  Weird at the least <img src='http://www.process.org/discept/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> .  Maybe after a few months they learned something that told them it wouldn&#8217;t work&#8230; but if they did, they never mentioned it.</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.readingthinkingandwriting.com/?p=411" rel="nofollow">http://blog.readingthinkingandwriting.com/?p=411</a></p>
<p>For me, the heart of this lies in what it means to be a healthcare provider be it a doctor or a pharma exec.  You cannot truly provide healthcare if profit is your goal.  You can provide healthcare and earn profit, but if it is what drives you, people will suffer because it isn&#8217;t possible to objectively do your job.</p>
<p>This needs to change in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: RohanSJ</title>
		<link>http://www.process.org/discept/2011/11/17/draco-death-to-the-virus/comment-page-1/#comment-877</link>
		<dc:creator>RohanSJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 04:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may be the most stunning line of research I&#039;ve ever read about. I was initially equally stunned by the lack of proper funding, but then I realized that I&#039;ve seen similar things before: it seems to me that the broader the potential benefit of something, the harder it is to get others to support it. A niche application can appeal to organizations or organizational units that have a particular interest in that niche and would be interested in something better than what already exists, while in a highly specialized world anything broad doesn&#039;t have clear &quot;customers&quot;. So I wonder whether funding might be more easily obtained by positioning DRACO as &quot;just&quot; an HIV cure, or &quot;just&quot; a herpes cure – perhaps whatever  has the greatest commercial potential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be the most stunning line of research I&#8217;ve ever read about. I was initially equally stunned by the lack of proper funding, but then I realized that I&#8217;ve seen similar things before: it seems to me that the broader the potential benefit of something, the harder it is to get others to support it. A niche application can appeal to organizations or organizational units that have a particular interest in that niche and would be interested in something better than what already exists, while in a highly specialized world anything broad doesn&#8217;t have clear &#8220;customers&#8221;. So I wonder whether funding might be more easily obtained by positioning DRACO as &#8220;just&#8221; an HIV cure, or &#8220;just&#8221; a herpes cure – perhaps whatever  has the greatest commercial potential.</p>
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		<title>By: CogitoErgoBibo</title>
		<link>http://www.process.org/discept/2011/11/17/draco-death-to-the-virus/comment-page-1/#comment-875</link>
		<dc:creator>CogitoErgoBibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2012 23:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nunsucho,

Thank you ;)  

Please, spread the word by passing along the link to this invaluable post Doug has written.  We can use it as a center until we have something established.  Perhaps we can start a NFP and put up a web site.  Please post if there is interest as I would be happy to help in either or both. 

-Scott
www.synapticsynthase.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nunsucho,</p>
<p>Thank you <img src='http://www.process.org/discept/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>Please, spread the word by passing along the link to this invaluable post Doug has written.  We can use it as a center until we have something established.  Perhaps we can start a NFP and put up a web site.  Please post if there is interest as I would be happy to help in either or both. </p>
<p>-Scott<br />
<a href="http://www.synapticsynthase.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.synapticsynthase.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nunsuch0</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nunsuch0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2012 22:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CogitoErgoBibo (great handle, by the way :-) ), Doug, dennyluan, this is great news! Please keep us posted on developments - while I can&#039;t offer much financial help (but will be happy to add to any public funding pot that might pop up), I&#039;m pretty good at spreading the word if needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CogitoErgoBibo (great handle, by the way <img src='http://www.process.org/discept/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ), Doug, dennyluan, this is great news! Please keep us posted on developments &#8211; while I can&#8217;t offer much financial help (but will be happy to add to any public funding pot that might pop up), I&#8217;m pretty good at spreading the word if needed.</p>
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		<title>By: CogitoErgoBibo</title>
		<link>http://www.process.org/discept/2011/11/17/draco-death-to-the-virus/comment-page-1/#comment-873</link>
		<dc:creator>CogitoErgoBibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 01:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug, I will defer to you then to present the information from Dr. Rider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, I will defer to you then to present the information from Dr. Rider.</p>
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		<title>By: doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 17:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you all -- I have emailed Dr. Rider to talk funding options. I will update you as soon as he replies. Promise!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you all &#8212; I have emailed Dr. Rider to talk funding options. I will update you as soon as he replies. Promise!</p>
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		<title>By: gwillen</title>
		<link>http://www.process.org/discept/2011/11/17/draco-death-to-the-virus/comment-page-1/#comment-871</link>
		<dc:creator>gwillen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 08:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about http://www.petridish.org/ ? Isn&#039;t this kind of thing exactly what that&#039;s for? I would gladly give money if there were a way for me to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about <a href="http://www.petridish.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.petridish.org/</a> ? Isn&#8217;t this kind of thing exactly what that&#8217;s for? I would gladly give money if there were a way for me to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: dennyluan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dennyluan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 07:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve contacted the supporting authors of the original PloS paper directly. I figured it would be better to contact the ones doing the actual research first to get a better feel for what&#039;s going on. 

I am one of the co-founders of Microryza. 

https://beta.microryza.com/

And this is precisely the kind of project we are looking to host. 

It seems that there are now a number of options for continuing the work and providing new funding. However, if none of them work out, I would love to explore the option of hosting it on Microryza. If only to help out fellow researchers. I did research in miRNA systems for 8 months at the University of Washington, and seeing this is truly exciting.

Doug - if you&#039;d like to contact me, feel free to shout at denny@microryza.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve contacted the supporting authors of the original PloS paper directly. I figured it would be better to contact the ones doing the actual research first to get a better feel for what&#8217;s going on. </p>
<p>I am one of the co-founders of Microryza. </p>
<p><a href="https://beta.microryza.com/" rel="nofollow">https://beta.microryza.com/</a></p>
<p>And this is precisely the kind of project we are looking to host. </p>
<p>It seems that there are now a number of options for continuing the work and providing new funding. However, if none of them work out, I would love to explore the option of hosting it on Microryza. If only to help out fellow researchers. I did research in miRNA systems for 8 months at the University of Washington, and seeing this is truly exciting.</p>
<p>Doug &#8211; if you&#8217;d like to contact me, feel free to shout at <a href="mailto:denny@microryza.com">denny@microryza.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: CogitoErgoBibo</title>
		<link>http://www.process.org/discept/2011/11/17/draco-death-to-the-virus/comment-page-1/#comment-869</link>
		<dc:creator>CogitoErgoBibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 02:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nunsucho,

I&#039;ll call Lincoln Lab tomorrow and post what I learn here...

-Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nunsucho,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll call Lincoln Lab tomorrow and post what I learn here&#8230;</p>
<p>-Scott</p>
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